Compass projects lower qualifying scores for the Class of 2027
The junior year PSAT is also the NMSQT — the National Merit Scholarship Qualifying Test. Each year, National Merit recognizes the top 57,000 test takers. In order to be included in that group, students need to be among the top 4% of the 1.4 million students who take the PSAT. Of that elite group, approximately 17,000 are recognized as Semifinalists for having the highest scores within their states. Semifinalists have the opportunity to continue in the program to become Finalists and, potentially, scholarship recipients. The remaining 40,000 students are recognized as Commended Students. More information can be found in our National Merit Explained post.
For the Class of 2027, the exact scores needed to qualify (“cutoffs”) will not be released until September 2026 (the Commended cutoff is likely to leak in April). In order to give students context for their test results, Compass has analyzed the scores from the October 2025 to produce estimates for the national Commended cutoff and the individual state cutoffs. We predict that the majority of state cutoffs will decline this year.
National Merit uses the Selection Index (SI), found on the PSAT score report, to rank students. The Selection Index can be calculated by doubling the Reading & Writing score (RW), adding the Math score (M), and dividing that sum by 10. For example, a student with a 720 RW and 700 M score has a Selection Index of 214 — (720 x 2 + 700)/10. The weighting of the index means that not all students with a 1420 Total Score have the same SI. A student with a 700 RW and 720 M has a Selection Index of 212. The highest SI a student can receive is 228 (760 RW and 760 M). Last year, the Commended cutoff was 210, and Semifinalist cutoffs ranged from 210 to 225 depending on the competitiveness of the state.
Why do we foresee lower cutoff scores?
College Board does not release any information about the distribution of Selection Indexes, but it does produce summaries of broad score ranges. The number of students in the 1400 – 1520 Total Score range has proved to be an excellent indicator of the Commended cutoff. The Class of 2027 saw 16% fewer top scores than did last year’s class. The 52,400 students at 1400 and above is closer to what we saw two years ago with the Class of 2025 and, going back further, similar to the results for the Classes of 2017 and 2021.
Most of the students who will qualify for National Merit recognition fall in the 1400 – 1520 band (or just outside it). With approximately 10,000 fewer students in the top band of scores this year, we expect the Commended level to drop to 208 or 209. The chart below shows the historical relationship between high scores and the Commended cutoff.
Explaining why last year’s cutoffs reached record levels
After examining this year’s numbers, we also have a better understanding of why Semifinalist cutoffs jumped to such extreme levels last year, and why it should not happen again. The 2024 PSAT saw an unprecedented 18% jump in the number of high Reading & Writing scores (700-760). The weighting of RW in the Selection Index magnified the impact of that change. The table below shows scores for the last three years and how results have fluctuated.
On the 2025 PSAT, the number of high RW scores dropped by 27%. In fact, the RW count for this year is even lower than it was two years ago. The decline in RW scores could even produce Selection Indexes lower than those in the Class of 2025 — at least in some states. The Commended cutoff may provide additional insight in the spring.
The ratio of 700+ M scores to 700+ RW scores reveals just how bizarre last year’s spike was. Traditionally, Math scores have higher distributions at the extremes. There are more very high Math scores on the PSAT and SAT, and there are more very low Math scores.
On the October 2024 PSAT, though, almost as many students scored 700-760 on RW as did on Math. The ratio of high Math scores to high RW scores was 1.02. This helps explain why some cutoffs went as high as 224 and 225 for the first time ever. Students achieved 750 and 760 RW scores in record numbers. In most years, there would be more students scoring 730 RW and 760 M (222 SI), for example, than scoring 760 RW and 730 M (225 SI). That was not true in the the Class of 2025, where there was a more equal distribution. It appears that scores for the Class of 2027 have returned to the traditional Math-heavy distribution. The ratio of high Math scores to high RW scores was 1.33 on the 2025 PSAT/NMSQT. For this reason, we don’t believe we will see a repeat of the 224 and 225 cutoffs seen last year.
Was last year a fluke, shift, or a trend?
The results from the Class of 2027 have answered one of the nagging questions from last year: Were the high cutoffs a fluke, shift, or trend? The answer appears to be fluke. More accurately, results could be labeled an error in test construction and scaling. There is no evidence that the Class of 2026 possessed special test-taking skills. As sophomores, that class performed in line with expectations on the 2023 PSAT. There is no evidence that the Class of 2027 has diminished skills. As sophomores, the class saw the same inflated scores as did the juniors on the 2024 PSAT. The best explanation is that College Board lost control of the scale. College Board dramatically shortened the PSAT when it switched from paper to digital. On the paper test, the Reading and Writing sections had 91 questions, and students were given 95 minutes. The RW on the digital PSAT is truncated to 54 questions over 64 minutes. And only 50 of the questions count toward a student’s score! A shorter exam means a less reliable exam. We saw the occasional wild ride on the paper PSAT, but the rides may get wilder and more frequent on the digital PSAT.
We anticipate the majority of state Semifinalist cutoffs to decline for the Class of 2027. Knowing this overall trend, however, doesn’t tell us which states will be in that majority or how much lower scores will go. The table below provides a Most Likely cutoff score, but the more useful information is the Estimated Range. Almost all cutoffs should fall within that range.
State | Class of 2027 (Most Likely) | Class of 2027 (Est. Range) | Class of 2026 (Actual) | Class of 2025 (Actual) | Class of 2024 (Actual) | Avg NMSFs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alabama | 213 | 210 - 216 | 214 | 212 | 210 | 250 |
| Alaska | 214 | 210 - 216 | 215 | 214 | 209 | 35 |
| Arizona | 218 | 215 - 220 | 218 | 217 | 216 | 398 |
| Arkansas | 213 | 210 - 216 | 215 | 213 | 210 | 143 |
| California | 223 | 220 - 224 | 224 | 221 | 221 | 2,115 |
| Colorado | 218 | 216 - 221 | 219 | 218 | 216 | 286 |
| Connecticut | 222 | 220 - 223 | 223 | 221 | 221 | 175 |
| Delaware | 219 | 218 - 221 | 220 | 219 | 219 | 44 |
| Florida | 217 | 216 - 220 | 219 | 217 | 216 | 999 |
| Georgia | 219 | 217 - 221 | 220 | 218 | 217 | 602 |
| Hawaii | 218 | 215 - 220 | 219 | 217 | 217 | 62 |
| Idaho | 214 | 211 - 217 | 215 | 213 | 211 | 96 |
| Illinois | 220 | 218 - 222 | 222 | 220 | 219 | 704 |
| Indiana | 217 | 214 - 219 | 218 | 217 | 216 | 313 |
| Iowa | 213 | 211 - 216 | 214 | 212 | 210 | 145 |
| Kansas | 216 | 213 - 219 | 216 | 215 | 214 | 144 |
| Kentucky | 214 | 211 - 217 | 214 | 213 | 211 | 201 |
| Louisiana | 215 | 212 - 218 | 216 | 214 | 214 | 222 |
| Maine | 215 | 212 - 217 | 217 | 214 | 213 | 55 |
| Maryland | 223 | 221 - 225 | 224 | 222 | 221 | 308 |
| Massachusetts | 223 | 221 - 225 | 225 | 223 | 222 | 318 |
| Michigan | 219 | 216 - 220 | 220 | 218 | 217 | 485 |
| Minnesota | 218 | 216 - 220 | 219 | 217 | 216 | 279 |
| Mississippi | 213 | 210 - 215 | 213 | 212 | 209 | 155 |
| Missouri | 216 | 213 - 218 | 217 | 215 | 214 | 289 |
| Montana | 211 | 208 - 214 | 213 | 209 | 209 | 47 |
| Nebraska | 213 | 210 - 216 | 214 | 211 | 210 | 105 |
| Nevada | 214 | 211 - 217 | 214 | 214 | 211 | 168 |
| New Hampshire | 217 | 214 - 219 | 219 | 217 | 215 | 60 |
| New Jersey | 223 | 222 - 225 | 225 | 223 | 223 | 451 |
| New Mexico | 211 | 208 - 214 | 210 | 211 | 207 | 104 |
| New York | 221 | 219 - 223 | 223 | 220 | 220 | 1,012 |
| North Carolina | 219 | 216 - 221 | 220 | 218 | 217 | 510 |
| North Dakota | 210 | 207 - 212 | 210 | 210 | 207 | 30 |
| Ohio | 218 | 215 - 220 | 219 | 217 | 216 | 538 |
| Oklahoma | 212 | 208 - 214 | 212 | 211 | 208 | 204 |
| Oregon | 218 | 215 - 220 | 219 | 216 | 216 | 188 |
| Pennsylvania | 220 | 217 - 222 | 221 | 219 | 219 | 596 |
| Rhode Island | 217 | 214 - 220 | 219 | 217 | 215 | 47 |
| South Carolina | 214 | 210 - 217 | 215 | 214 | 209 | 236 |
| South Dakota | 210 | 207 - 213 | 211 | 208 | 209 | 42 |
| Tennessee | 218 | 215 - 219 | 219 | 217 | 217 | 319 |
| Texas | 221 | 218 - 222 | 222 | 219 | 219 | 1,623 |
| Utah | 212 | 210 - 216 | 213 | 211 | 209 | 196 |
| Vermont | 215 | 211 - 217 | 216 | 215 | 212 | 28 |
| Virginia | 222 | 220 - 224 | 224 | 222 | 219 | 437 |
| Washington | 222 | 220 - 224 | 224 | 222 | 220 | 348 |
| West Virginia | 209 | 207 - 212 | 210 | 209 | 207 | 64 |
| Wisconsin | 214 | 213 - 217 | 215 | 214 | 213 | 292 |
| Wyoming | 209 | 207 - 212 | 210 | 209 | 207 | 24 |
| District of Columbia | 223 | 222 - 225 | 225 | 223 | 223 | 36 |
| Territories | 209 | 207 - 211 | 210 | 208 | 207 | 39 |
| Outside US | 223 | 222 - 225 | 225 | 223 | 223 | 86 |
| Commended | 209 | 207 - 210 | 210 | 208 | 207 |
How cutoffs are determined
Qualifying scores (“cutoffs”) are not based on the total score for the PSAT (360-1520) but on the Selection Index, which is calculated by doubling the RW score, adding the Math score, and then dividing the sum by 10. The maximum Selection Index is 228. Students can find a historical set of cutoff data here or see how Semifinalist and Commended counts have changed state by state.
We estimate that the Semifinalist cutoffs will range from 209 to 223. Semifinalists are allocated by state, and cutoffs are calculated by state. If Florida is allocated 1,000 Semifinalists based on its population of high school graduates, then NMSC works down from a perfect 228 Selection Index until it gets as close as possible to that target. Last year, 1,008 students scored at or above the cutoff of 219. A cutoff of 220 would have produced too few Semifinalists. A cutoff of 218 would have gone over the allocation. Because score levels can get crowded, it is easy for cutoffs to move up or down a point even when there is minimal change in testing behavior or performance.
Why does each state have its own Semifinalist cutoff if the program is NATIONAL Merit?
This is always a hot button question. NMSC allocates the approximately 17,000 Semifinalists among states based on the number of high school graduates. That way, students across the nation are represented. It also means that there are very different qualifying standards from state to state. A Massachusetts student with a 220 might miss out on being a Semifinalist. If she lived 10 miles away in New Hampshire, she would qualify.
No Semifinalist cutoff can be lower than the national Commended level. Cutoffs for the District of Columbia and for U.S. students studying abroad are set at the highest state cutoff (typically New Jersey). The cutoff for students in U.S. territories and possessions falls at the Commended level each year. Boarding schools are grouped by region. The cutoff for a given region is the highest state cutoff within the region.
Change is always the theme
Over the last two decades, at least half of the state cutoffs have changed each year. In some years, as many as 49 states saw ups or downs, usually because of questionable test forms. In addition to last year’s exam, the PSATs from 2011 (Class of 2013), 2016 (Class of 2018), and 2019 stand out as problematic. The anomalous 2019 results could be traced back to a particularly mis-scaled form, which I wrote about at the time. The Class of 2014 also saw significant changes, but those were more of a bounce-back from the previous year. The question for the Class of 2027 is how much of a bounce-back will be seen this year.
Cutoffs are particularly bumpy in states with smaller pools of test takers and National Merit Semifinalists. Over the last dozen years, cutoffs in the 12 largest states have remain unchanged 36% of the time, while the cutoffs in the smallest states have remain unchanged only 1 time out of every 5. No large state’s cutoff has jumped by more than 3 points in a year, whereas 6-point changes have occurred in the pool of smaller states.
When are National Merit Semifinalists announced?
The lists of Semifinalists will not be distributed to high schools until the end of August 2026. With the exception of homeschoolers, students do not receive direct notification. NMSC asks that schools not share the results publicly until the end of the press embargo in mid-September, but schools are allowed to notify students privately before that date. NMSC does not send Commended Student letters to high schools until mid-September. Compass will keep students updated on developments as the dates approach.
Do state and national percentiles indicate whether a student will be a National Merit Semifinalist?
No! Approximately 1% of test takers qualify as Semifinalists each year, so it is tempting to view a 99th percentile score as indicating a high enough score — especially now that College Board provides students with percentiles by state. There are any number of flaws that rule out using percentiles as a quick way of determining National Merit status.
- Percentiles are based on section scores or total score, not Selection Index
- Percentiles are rounded. There is a large difference, from a National Merit perspective, between the top 0.51% and the top 1.49%
- Percentiles reveal the percentage of students at or below a certain score, but the “at” part is important when NMSC is determining cutoffs.
- The number of Semifinalists is based on the number of high school graduates in a state, not the number of PSAT takers. Percentiles are based on PSAT takers. States have widely varying participation rates.
- Most definitive of all: Percentiles do not reflect the current year’s scores! They are based on the prior 3 years’ performance. They are set even before the test is given. And if you are going to use prior history, why not use the record of prior National Merit cutoffs rather than the highly suspect percentiles?
Entry requirements for National Merit versus qualifying for National Merit.
Your PSAT/NMSQT score report tells you whether you meet the eligibility requirements for the NMSP. In general, juniors taking the October PSAT are eligible. If you have an asterisk next to your Selection Index, it means that your answers to the entrance questions have made you ineligible. Your answers are conveniently noted on your score report. If you think there is an error, you will also find instructions on how to contact NMSC. Meeting the eligibility requirements simply means that your score will be considered. Approximately 1.4 million students enter the competition each year. Only about 55,000 students will be named as Commended Students, Semifinalists, Finalists, or Scholars. See National Merit Explained for more information.
Hey Art, would you be confident in a 214 in NM?
Given what we are seeing, I think 214 has a solid chance.
In your favor:
1) There would need to be a 4-point jump for you not to qualify.
Raising some doubt:
1) New Mexico has hit 215 some years (it used to be common, in fact).
2) Small states have unpredictable changes, and this is an unpredictable year.
Good luck! And please report back.
Hi Art, would a 4 or 5 point jump from a 2025 cutoff be too big of a jump for any state? I know it’s probably hard to predict for 2026 given all the uncertainties. However, has a jump that big ever happened to your knowledge? Thank you!
Ava,
In the last 10 years, there have been 6 instances, all in small states. Given the scale of the changes this year, I’d be surprised if we don’t see at least 1 state go up 4 points.
Is there any word on the Maine cutoff?
No news, Jim. It’s often hard to get reports from smaller states.
Hello Art! Is the 225 in NJ official confirmed? I got a 224 🙁
Anonymous,
I’ve heard from a counselor that two 224 students did not qualify (and a 225 did), so I’m afraid that this one is pretty solid.
I see that VA is listed as 223 or 224. Is that based on confirmed reports (more than 1 comment)? Wondering if it could be higher?
Sam,
It is not based on multiple reports at a single score. I have no reason to believe it is inaccurate.
Oh man, please let VA be 223. Please. My son received a 223 composite score.
Good luck to your son, Mark!
Art,
How solid/accurate are the reports/evidence for 226 SI for DC and USSSA? Absolutely ground-shattering if true.
Jamie,
I’ve seen two relevant reports. A student from DC says that they did not qualify with 225. The other post you’ve probably seen is about the siblings and friends that pointed to a USSSA cutoff of 226. That post, with confusingly different info, was also on Reddit.
I’m pretty confident that NJ = 225. Massachusetts, though, still leaves open the possibility of a 226 cutoff, because we only know that a student with 224 did not qualify. Former record holder Maryland is also a wildcard, especially since it is on the smaller side.
So while we can’t say for sure that DC/USSSA are 226, there is nothing yet to contradict it.
Is there no chance for 222s in cali
I’ve had a report that 222 did not qualify. We can hope that it is wrong!
Is the cutoff of 214 confirmed for Iowa? I saw earlier from this article that a counselor had said 214 was SF, but 213 was Commended, but it is removed now.
I believe the cutoff to be 214-216. A parent reported to me via email that their student’s friend was Commended at 213. The friend’s counselor intimated that the cutoff was 214, but I felt that wasn’t enough to declare Iowa at 214. I’ve also had the report of 216 qualifying, which is why I consider that the upper bound.
I have a meeting with my counselor tomorrow—I can ask them whether they know anything further. I got a 223 index but I’m concerned for my friends who seem to be borderline for Iowa now.
That would be great! Thank you.
214 is indeed the cutoff. 2 of my friends had a cutoff of 214 and qualified for SF. We were notified today by our principal.
Thank you!
Hey Art, NJ student here, my friend didn’t get the email with a 224 (I did with a 227). I sent this on a Reddit post about the cutoff scores for the states this year. https://www.reddit.com/r/psat/s/UltLTmUYHY
Thank you for the added info, Duck. Congratulations!
Any predictions for which state is at 226?!?!
*If* 226 is accurate, then it seems it would need to be MA or MD. Delaware only sees about 40-45 NMSFs, so I suppose something whacky could have happened there. My money would be on MA.
Maryland parent . Son is 225 and has no Semifinalist . Daughter is 227 and informed that she is Semifinalist . They are both at the same school .
Thank you, Trina. I’m still trying to wrap my head around what appears to be a 226 cutoff. Congratulations to your son and daughter!
Thanks again for all the updates! While we wait for the final word on cutoffs, can you clarify semifinalist totals? In the above post, you refer to 17,000 semifinalists. Everything I’ve read from NMSC uses the figure 16,000 semifinalists. Did they just happen to have 1,000 extra last year?
NMSC tends to round down in its descriptions. There are typically between 16,400 and 16,600 Semifinalists. Last year saw 17,111.
Will commended students get a letter as well? Is that how students are reporting they did not get in, not just the absence of a letter?
My student is 212 in OK and has not been notified.
Thank you for helping with a confusing process.
KR,
Commended Student letters are usually mailed to high schools after Semifinalists are announced (9/10), so students may not have letters in hand until closer to the end of September.
Many schools wait until the 10th to notify Semifinalists, and even then my guess is that some schools will be behind in the process. Not having heard anything yet is par for the course.
Is there any news about colorado?
Nothing yet, Roger.
Are national merit semifinalists already announced in TN? If I got a 218 in TN should I be holding my breath?
Bobby,
Semifinalist names have been mailed to schools, but students have not necessarily been notified. September 10th is when National Merit allows press announcements, but the press doesn’t always make those announcements! I hope that NM at least confirms cutoffs this year. If you haven’t heard from your school by end-of-day on the 10th, I’d check with your counselor on the 11th.
Hello. Is the Texas cutoff finalized?
Pragathi,
The reports have been consistent, but we won’t have word from NMSC until at least Wednesday.
Hi, are you certain that the cutoff for Oklahoma is 212? Did you get the info from National Merit corporation?
Jack,
NMSC will not be announcing cutoffs until at least Wednesday.
There are 2 states reported on reddit that I don’t see on your list.
Indian 220 qualified
Maine 216 qualified
Thank you, Samantha! I’ve updated the post with the Reddit reports.
Hi! I accidentally commented on the wrong thread and lost it so I’m responding again—do you have any news on CT for a 223 or its chances? Very nervous considering all the unprecedented score increases. Thank you for your !
Em,
No news beyond the student who qualified at 224. CT’s cutoff has long been one of the most stable, so it will be an interesting case for how much scores moved at the upper end of the scale.
Are you absolutely certain TN is 219
It is based on student reports. I have no reason to believe those reports are inaccurate, but I cannot describe myself as absolutely certain.
Mr. Sawyer,
Based on the “student reports,” is there any reason to think that TN may be greater than 219? Me and 3 other friends all have 219 lol
Thanks!
No reason for me to think that, but I just can’t say with certainty. Good luck to the 4 of you! Please let us know what you find out.
Hi Art – based on your understanding of this year’s PSAT, would missing even 1 verbal knock you to 224, since verbal is double counted? The score reports are useless and show full performance on all metrics and areas. They provide no helpful feedback on what or how many questions may have been missed. Thanks for any insights.
Sam,
When College Board to the digital PSAT and SAT, it moved to what is known as Item Response Theory (IRT) scoring. I won’t go into an in-depth discussion here, but IRT removes our ability to say that 1 wrong did this or 2 wrong did that. Different patterns of right and wrong have different results. Most students realize that there are two adaptive stages on the PSAT, but even within each stage we can’t say that getting this question wrong will produce the exact same score as getting that question wrong. As you say, College Board has done its best to produce a useless report. In the name of not “confusing” students, it does not even tell you which questions you got right or how many you got right. This leaves the scoring a black box to which only College Board has the key.
In terms of Selection Index, a student could score as low as 740 on the ERW and still get a 224 (they would need a perfect 760 M).
Art-
Trying to help with your crowdsourcing – my VA student just informed me that people at their school were notified about semifinalist qualifications this morning. My child who has a 223 was not notified, so it seems that VA has jumped to 224.
Kay,
Thank you for letting me know. Good luck to your son!
I scored a 216 in the State of Idaho and made the cut.
Congratulations, Jameson! Thank you for stopping by.
I have a two part comment/question:
1. On Wednesday, do you know where (and when?) NMSC will post information about this year? I don’t see anything obvious on their website for prior years. What information do you expect there? (Just # students by state? or list of individuals? or cutoffs?)
2. I’m still holding out slim hope for my daughter at 219 in Georgia . However, when I look at the known/suspected cutoffs, it seems like there is more departure from historical SI for states that typically have higher SIs. Georgia is typically around the top 3rd-ish, so it doesn’t bode well. In addition, some of the larger states (CA, TX, FL, NY, IL, OH) have seen increases. Georgia is a pretty large state like these, even though I think the scores for large states typically don’t move that much.
BKA,
1. NMSC handles things differently each year, and its page naming convention is… unusual. I definitely do not know the timing. What NMSC has presumably has done is email lists of students to news organizations (papers and websites) with the proviso that they are not published until the 10th. Those will begin popping up in different regions throughout the day. The list may be a complete state, just a county, or just a local school (this is on the press outlet to decide). There is little rhyme or reason. Usually a Redditor will take charge of putting together a master list of what is available.
What I am hoping NMSC posts are the cutoffs. If it publishes them, they’ll likely be in the 2025 Guide to the National Merit Scholarship Program. There may be a link to that Guide on the home page or on the Press page when it goes up.
2. You are correct about the historical departures. The Commended level went from 208 to 210. A 2-point jump that was well within the historical levels (in fact, close to the average of all non COVID-impacted years). Scores close to the Commended level are still likely to go up, but they are also likely to fall within historical ranges. At the upper end of the scale, cutoffs traditionally ran into a ceiling at 223. Different states reached it, but no one got through it (Maryland hit 224 in a year where most students qualified via SAT scores). For some reason, the dam burst this year. Clearly the number of high scores got yanked upward, probably because of (overly?) favorable scaling. We’re so close that I recommend keeping hope for another couple of days!
Hi Art,
You have previously indicated a 220 would be safe for SF in Ohio. With all the chaos from some of the other states, does that change your assessment?
Thanks!
Chas,
That feels like a lifetime ago. 😉 I still think that it is a strong score. Ohio would need to see its cutoff move 2 points above its record high. That’s usually very uncommon, but we are seeing it happen this year.
Hi Art,
Yes, it was a long time ago relative to the fall chaos that has ensued haha! There are some states historically similar to Ohio that seem to give optimism since they are coming in at, or at most 1 point above, your high end projection, which for Ohio is 219. But then as you point out, some states are really unbelievable from a forecasting standpoint.
What do you lay the probability of 220 making the cut given the limited info you can extrapolate from similar states?
Thanks again!
Chas,
I feel like I would be making it up if I really put odds to it. My theory is that we are going to see fewer record highs in states in the 210-215 area. Those states have always bounced around with the Commended cutoff. We know that we are seeing record highs in the 222+ states, because those scores have come unmoored (CA at least was not a new record!). We are still waiting to see what happens in the middle. AL, not a record. AZ, not a record. FL, not a record. I’m not going to go through every state (and the <= states could go lower), but you get the idea. We may see some record highs in those mid-tier states, but the NJ/VA/MA/MD craziness may also have us overly concerned.
Just correcting my error. We don’t yet know if CA has gone to a new record.