On January 19th, 2021, College Board announced that they will no longer administer the SAT Subject Tests in the U.S. and that the Essay would be retired. Read our blog post to understand what this means in the near term and what the College Board has in store for students down the road.
Our articles on Subject Tests and the SAT Essay will remain on our site for reference purposes as colleges and students transition to a revised testing landscape.
In this post we’ll take a deep dive into the tactical considerations around Subject Test planning. A more succinct summary of the Subject Test landscape may be found here. Please feel free to call your Compass Director for an individualized assessment of your needs and to schedule practice tests for these important exams.
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WHO NEEDS TO TAKE SUBJECT TESTS?
Second semester of 11th grade is perhaps the most intense stretch of the college admission testing gauntlet that students must run. Many Compass students have just taken or are about to take their SAT or ACT, but for those applying to a highly selective college, there is no rest for the weary! It’s time to finalize a plan for Subject Tests targeting a test date of May and/or June. Subject Tests are expected by only about 20 of the most selective U.S. colleges and universities, but these institutions tend to attract the most attention from ambitious students.
WHAT ARE THE KEYS TO SUCCESS ON SUBJECT TESTS?
- Choosing the subjects in which you have the most potential
- Nailing the timing of when you take the tests
- Ensuring that there are no gaps in your preparation
The best way to avoid tactical errors is to ensure each of these decisions is informed by the results of practice tests. We recommend taking an initial diagnostic test—one hour per subject—no later than 5 weeks before the official date you are considering. Our proctored test sessions and analysis of results are complimentary; however, advance reservations are required, and sessions close to popular test dates will fill up.
The good news is that an initial diagnostic test and review of the results may be all you need to do to be ready. Many students find that their academic coursework—particularly in AP and honors classes—is often sufficient as preparation for Subject Tests. And when additional tutoring for Subject Tests is needed, that prep tends to be both efficient and multi-purpose. Most students select Subject Tests that correspond with current academic classes, so tutoring for Subject Tests tends to serve double-duty as prep for an AP or final exam.
WHAT ARE SUBJECT TESTS?
Subject Tests and Advanced Placement exams are often confused. Think of them as cousins, but not siblings. They serve different roles. Subject Tests are designed to allow students to demonstrate achievement in a particular academic area, but the tests are not tied to specific curricula and are expressly intended to be used in admission decisions. AP exams are more directly tied to a particular set of academic specifications. While APs certainly serve a role in admission decisions as evidence of mastery of the highest level offering of a particular subject, their original and official purpose is reflected in their moniker: “Advanced Placement.” Many colleges still link course placement and course credit to performance on AP exams. So while your AP classes will help inform your Subject Test planning, APs do not replace Subject Tests in the admission process (with very rare exceptions, e.g. NYU).
HOW IMPORTANT ARE SUBJECT TESTS?
The answer depends entirely on the contours of the field on which a student intends to compete. While Subject Test scores are relevant at only about 3% of the four-year institutions in the U.S., the scores can be significant factors in the admission decisions at a little over 20 colleges that are extremely popular. And an additional 60 colleges—also quite well known—will consider Subject Tests if submitted.
To evaluate the tests’ importance in your individual situation, start by reviewing the list of these 100 institutions. If you’re an 11th grader, then you likely have a college list in mind to cross-reference. 10th graders usually aren’t as far along in their planning but may at least have an idea of whether the likes of Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Williams, etc. will be under consideration. You should also keep in mind that specific academic majors (e.g. engineering or nursing) within a college may require Subject Tests that are not required for all applicants to the college.
As a general rule, if you may decide to apply to one of the selective colleges in the up-to-date list on our website or to a particularly competitive academic major within a college, then you should keep your options open by taking Subject Tests.
HOW MANY SUBJECT TESTS SHOULD I TAKE?
The minimum expectation is two tests (with the sole exception of Georgetown, which still states a preference for three tests). Whether you should push yourself to exceed the minimum can be determined by a common sense assessment of the competitiveness of the applicant pool at your target colleges. Context is key.
For example: George Washington University and Stanford University will both consider Subject Tests. However, in 2014, GW admitted approximately 45% of the students who applied for admission, while Stanford admitted only 5%.
We would advise you to accept GW’s position at face value. You could reasonably conclude that while GW would like to see Subject Tests, it’s much more of a soft preference than an implied expectation.
On the other hand, and keeping in mind that a 5% admission rate made Stanford the most selective undergraduate institution in the country in 2014, it would be wise to exceed Stanford’s “will consider” by striving to produce outstanding Subject Test scores to submit if you possibly can.
A rule of thumb: The more competitive the applicant pool, the more you should interpret “recommended” as “expected” and “considered” as “recommended.” And if you could excel on more than the minimum of two Subject Tests without too much extra effort, then you should probably do so. It’s not uncommon for Compass’ most ambitious students to take three to five Subject Tests, if such an approach is supported by their academic coursework and strengths.
WHICH SUBJECT TESTS SHOULD I CHOOSE?
Optimal selection of Subject Tests is critical, and the best choices are usually those that align with your most advanced classes and your academic strengths. See the following list of subjects and months when each subject is offered, noting that not all subjects are offered on all test dates.
Here is a table detailing the number of questions and a brief description of each test:
Thoughts to keep in mind as you are evaluating these options relative to your classes at school and your academic strengths:
The more advanced and challenging the academic class, the more likely that the material will overlap significantly with a related Subject Test. If you are in an AP or honors/advanced class that corresponds with a Subject Test, then it is almost certainly advisable to at least take a practice test to evaluate whether you should take that Subject Test officially.
The alignment of content is not always straightforward though, and the practice test results must be interpreted with caution. Let’s take AP U.S. History for example:
A student expecting to score a 4 or 5 on AP-USH will find much content that is familiar on the ST-USH. However, we are not suggesting that even the top students in AP-USH should just walk into the ST-USH cold. The content overlap is not 100%. While most AP classes start with the arrival of the Europeans in the “New World,” the Subject Test takes the more enlightened view that Native American history is fair game too.
Then there is the rather fast pacing of Subject Tests. The ST-USH has 90-95 multiple-choice questions in just 60 minutes. Students must move quickly and act decisively. And decisiveness in the face of uncertainty is essential, as even the students most steeped in U.S. History may find a surprising number of questions with unfamiliar content. The test is designed to be approachable by students who have been taught U.S. History from a variety of pedagogical emphases. This broad but shallow characterization of the content means that very few high school history classes will have covered every stitch of material on the test, and therefore most students will need to make educated guesses or skip at least some questions. This also means that indecisive guessers and reluctant skippers may struggle to finish the exam.
Finally, the conversion scale reflects these realities of the test’s construction. A typical ST-USH scale allows students to leave as many as ten questions blank and still receive the top score of 800. Even students leaving half the questions blank could still score around 600.
WHEN SHOULD I TAKE SUBJECT TESTS?
With just a few exceptions, you should take a particular Subject Test at the end of the school year when you have taken a corresponding class of appropriate rigor. May or June of 11th grade is thus the most popular window when the majority of Subject Tests are taken. 10th and even 9th grade students may be advised to take a Subject Test, if they are excelling in an AP or advanced class in a subject that they will not continue in before 12th grade.
The choice between the May and June test dates requires careful consideration. June tends to be more popular, simply because it is later in the school year for most students and occurs very close to their final exams. It’s a lot to worry about simultaneously, but you get more bang (points) for your studying buck (time). Students in a corresponding AP class may find that their AP exam date is closer to the May date for Subject Tests than the June date. Would you rather study for the Subject Test first, knock that out, and then move on to the AP….or vice versa? We recommend you consult with your teacher at school. Many (but not all, unfortunately) teachers are well-versed in the Subject Test related to their specialty. They may be able to give subject-specific advice. Some may even tell you to take the AP first and wait until June for the Subject Test, because they plan to spend class time on the Subject Test material in the 1–3 week period between the AP date and the June date for Subject Tests.
Keep in mind that you can’t freely choose between May and June for Subject Tests if you have already planned to take the SAT on one of these test dates. You cannot take the SAT and the Subject Tests on the same date (we wouldn’t wish that on anybody even if it were possible). This is one of the reasons why we recommend a December, January, or March test date for a first sitting of the SAT. The ACT helpfully avoids College Board test dates, so the April and June ACT test dates do not pose a direct conflict. The June ACT date is always the second weekend in June, one week after the SAT / Subject Tests date. You could choose to utilize both of these June dates, in which case your summer break would be especially well earned.
The fall test dates are generally unpopular for Subject Tests. Thoughtful exceptions include an October tester who took an intensive summer school course or a November tester who wants to take the version of a Language test with a listening component (often preferred by native speakers). An unfortunate exception would be a student who somehow missed or failed to heed the advice to take Subject Tests at the end of the school year when students are most typically peaking in a particular subject.
IS IT OKAY TO TAKE A SUBJECT TEST MORE THAN ONCE?
Generally, yes. (See the next question for caveats related to colleges that disallow Score Choice.) The most typical retesting scenario would be to take a first stab on the May test date and then get right back on the horse for the June test date. Equestrian skills and test-taking skills tend to improve with experience, like most anything else. This May-then-June approach is a bit unusual though, as most students feel it will be sufficient to target just one test date and use practice tests (and possibly a modicum of tutoring) to ensure they are well prepared. Also, there is not time to test in May, wait to receive your score 2–3 weeks later, and then register for the June test date. The June registration deadline is earlier than the May score reporting date, so students wishing to keep the retest possibility open would need to pre-register for June well in advance. Those who sign up after the late registration deadline receive “Waitlist Status,” which does not guarantee a spot.
Another rationale for retesting would result from taking classes that build upon one another. For example, consider a 10th grader taking Honors Pre-Calculus. The content of the Math Level 2 aligns quite well with most Honors Pre-Calculus classes, so from that perspective the end of the 10th grade may be the optimal window. A 10th grader in this situation may be able to bank a top score on Math Level 2 and thus have less to worry about in 11th grade. Or, that 10th grader may find that there is still significant room for improvement after the first try, so he/she could decide to take another stab at it a year later. That student would typically go on to AP Calculus AB in 11th grade. The content of Calc AB is generally beyond the emphases of the Math Level 2, but math skills tend to be acquired cumulatively and retained. These further developed math skills specifically combined with another 12 months of academic maturity generally may be the ticket to an even higher Math 2 score.
If you’ve been paying attention at all, then you know what we rely on to help make these timing and retesting decisions. Practice tests! Never take an official test cold, and avoid speculation as much as possible in selecting tests and test dates.
WILL I HAVE TO REPORT ALL OF MY SUBJECT TEST SCORES TO COLLEGES?
Maybe. Technically the College Board gives you “Score Choice” capability, allowing you the ability to selectively report your scores as you see fit. You could, for example, take the Math 2, Literature, and Chemistry exams on the same test date and then later choose to report only certain scores from this date to any particular college. However, some colleges disallow Score Choice and require you to stipulate in your admission application that you have not exercised Score Choice. The “who” and “why” of this issue would require its own blog post, but try not to worry about it. If there is reason to believe that a retest would increase your score, then retest. If you retest and a particular college expects you to report both scores, then report both scores. The likelihood is extremely remote that any college would scrutinize the trend in your scores and discount a gain in any meaningful way.
WHAT ABOUT COLLEGES THAT ACCEPT THE ACT IN LIEU OF THE SAT AND SUBJECT TESTS?
If you find the variety of Score Choice postures confusing, here’s another head-scratcher: Many colleges require Subject Tests if paired with the SAT, but will officially accept the ACT alone as meeting the basic testing requirement. Let’s take two universities you may have heard of as examples: Harvard requires at least two Subject Tests IN ADDITION to EITHER the SAT or ACT, while Yale will fully consider your application for admission with ONLY an ACT score (Yale requires Subject Tests only if you chose to take the SAT instead of the ACT). Princeton and MIT are in Harvard’s camp on this issue, while Penn and Columbia see it Yale’s way. For a complete list, see the institutions listed in this table.
Confused yet? We don’t blame you. The pundits and gurus don’t all agree on why this variation in practices exists.
On the one hand, we are reluctant to suggest that any college’s policy should be taken at less than face value. If Yale’s policy says that an ACT alone is accepted equally in lieu of the SAT and several Subject Tests, who are we to suggest otherwise?
On the other hand, it’s possible that the option to submit an ACT score alone may make that college appear more welcoming to some prospective applicants, especially those in geographic locations or demographic circumstances in which Subject Tests are less readily available. For the typical Compass student in a competitive high school in California and carrying a schedule full of AP and Honors classes, we feel it is advisable to demonstrate academic strengths as convincingly as possible. In many cases this is best achieved by submitting Subject Tests regardless of whether they are technically required.
HOW MANY SUBJECT TESTS CAN I TAKE ON A SINGLE TEST DATE?
You can take as many as three Subject Tests on a test date, but you don’t have to take that many—you could take just one or two. You can choose to spread your Subject Tests across multiple test dates if your schedule allows. Each Subject Test is one hour long. Only having to cope with one or two Subject Tests on a certain date makes for a less taxing day, and this may reflect positively in your scores. It’s possible, for example, to take 1–2 Subject Tests in June of 10th grade, 1–2 more in May of 11th grade, and 1–2 more in June of 11th grade, with some of those tests serving as second attempts in the same subject. Each student has unique circumstances and strengths, so there is no static template.
UP TO WHAT POINT CAN I CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT WHICH SUBJECTS TO TAKE?
Up to the very last minute. While the registration form for Subject Tests asks you to indicate which subjects you intend to take (we’re not sure why), this is non-binding. On the day of the test, you are given a thick booklet with all subjects, and you choose then and there which subjects you will take. Don’t worry: If you decide to take more subjects than you paid for when you registered, the College Board will remember to bill you for the difference.
IF I'M TAKING MORE THAN ONE SUBJECT TEST ON A DATE, DO I CHOOSE THE ORDER?
Yes, you choose the order. Most students choose to start with the subject on which they feel they need the most energy and/or are most hopeful will be their best subject, but this is entirely up to you.
WHAT IS A GOOD SCORE ON A SUBJECT TEST? WHAT DO PERCENTILES INDICATE?
We’re sorry to keep saying “It depends,” but, well….it really does depend on the context. While few institutions readily report Subject Test data for admitted or enrolled students, we can make some reasonable assumptions. SAT score data in the middle-50th percentiles (25th % to 75th %) are available, and it stands to reason that Subject Test scores for enrolled students are similar to SAT scores. Students can expect that Subject Test scores in the low-mid 700s put them in the same ballpark as other applicants to the highly selective colleges that require Subject Tests.
When evaluating your Subject Test scores, focus on the scaled score from 200–800 and not the reported percentile. Percentile scores for Subject Tests are misleading, because they often indicate a skewed testing population. For example, only 27,000 students take the Physics test each year, so it is logical to assume that most are quite good at Physics. Your scaled score, not your percentile, is the most important number on your Subject Test report and allows you to compare your performance across different subjects.
If you’ve read this far, we salute you! Making decisions based on accurate information is half the battle, so your commitment to being well-informed will serve you well. Please don’t hesitate to contact us for more information, personalized guidance, and practice tests.
I tried to register my kid for “French with Listening” and “Chinese with listening” for November 7, 2020. But it only allows to register one for “language with listening”. What is the reason of that?
The listening exams are given in the first hour of testing. Special security is needed because of the use of CD players. Unfortunately, this means that only one Listening Subject Test can be taken on a test date.
Ok so I need a bit of advice. I got 34 on my ACT 2nd attempt, I am planning on trying again though. I got 5s on Calc BC, Eng language and composition, US History, World History, Human geography, Chemistry. 4 on Ap physics 1 and 3 on AP physics 2. The problem currently are my SAT subject scores. 1st attempt I have a 750 on math , 760 on chem, 710 on US history. I tried a second time and did even worse: 720 on Chemistry and 680 on US history. I planning to apply for engineering programs at selective colleges like UC Berkeley, Rice, UPenn, John Hopkins etc. Would it be worth it to even submit any of my subject tests if they are optional. Also will it hurt my chances because I did even worse the 2nd time.
Thanks for your help in advance
You can use Score Choice with Subject Tests even at colleges that don’t allow Score Choice for SAT scores (there are 1 or 2 exceptions, none of which is on your list). So you don’t have to submit your lower scores. For students applying to engineering programs, math and science scores can help ease any concerns an admission office might have about an applicant’s ability to handle the coursework. I think your 750 and 760 are high enough to serve that function. I would submit Math and Chem.
Thanks for your article! My daughter recently took SAT II Literature and ended up with 710 . Her ACT is 35 and she is applying for Duke which do not require SAT II because she has taken ACT. She wants to major in Linguistic. Is it better to report this score or retest in August?
Also her German Reading test is 680. There is no chance to retake this test. Is it better not to report this? She is considering taking German with Listening in November. I am not sure about the chance to score high on these foreign language tests as there are a lot of native/heritage students who tend to do very well. She is Asian.
In your daughter’s case, I think she presents her strongest case with just the ACT. She matches up well there. As soon as you include Subject Tests, her scores fall lower down within the applicant pool.
Does College Board score subject SAT by penalizing the wrong answer? My son got 800 on his math Level 2, and is going to take Chemistry next week. The seniors who took Chemistry told him that there was some penalty for wrong answers. Since Chemistry has more questions, some are TF type . I want to check with you how College Board score subject SAT, and is there any difference between Math and Chemistry.
Sorry that my answer comes late. There is a “guessing penalty” on the Subject Tests, but it’s not something your son needs to worry about at his likely score range. It is meant to be an adjustment to prevent an advantage from random guessing. For example, if a multiple-choice question has 5 choices, a random guess is going to be right 1 time in 5. A quarter-point deduction is made for each wrong answer. This means that a student *randomly* guessing on lots of problems will receive no net gain (and, in the long run, no net penalty). It’s unlikely that your son had to randomly guess on many problems. Even if he did, the penalty achieves equity. Educated guessing, on the other hand, is a really useful technique on a multiple choice test. None of this changes on the specialized T/F questions on Chemistry — they have a different number of answer choices and the penalty changes accordingly. The effect is the same.
Hi! Your article is very helpful, thank you! But i still have a question, i gave Biology M, physics and chemistry subject tests in May, and I’m not satisfied with the scores at all, I had already registered for the June chemistry sat, before the deadline so my fee was a regular fee. However, now i want to retake biology and physics in june as well, and I’m still not sure about that so i dont want to register through the website, so can I still talk to the Procter on test day and retake my physics and biology tests too, without any problem? and will the fee be the same as that for chemistry or any other test registered for before the deadline, would they charge any extra for adding the tests late after the deadline ?(reminder: I am already registered for chemistry). The test changes deadline is 22nd May. tell me what I should do.
From College Board’s website: You can also add a test on test day, if it’s being given on that day. You’ll be billed for the tests you add.
“While the registration form for Subject Tests asks you to indicate which subjects you intend to take (we’re not sure why), this is non-binding.”….money! That is why. While the College Board will, for example, refund the essay fee if you decide on the test day to take just the SAT and not the SAT with Essay you registered for, they will not give you a refund for the SAT Subject test(s) you do not take on the test day. Of course, they will be glad to bill you for any additional Subject Tests you take (or for the Essay you add to the SAT) on the test day. So, unless you are very sure of your plans, my advise is decide on which Subject Tests to take on the test day.
You are correct about the lack of refunds. Waiting to add the Essay is not a good idea, though. Essay and non-Essay rooms are separate and a test day change is not guaranteed to be accommodated. There is not the same issue with Subject Tests except for the Listening exams. Still, I prefer students to be confident in their plans to begin with, since winging it on test day can be a distraction.
UC (University of California) schools require all SAT scores to be sent and some majors “recommend” certain SAT subject test scores. I have 2 questions:
1. Is it possible to send ALL regular SAT scores and send choice scores for SAT subject tests?
2. When sending ALL regular SAT scores, how far back does it include the scores for?
1. Yes, it’s possible. Score Choice is an option chosen by the student, not the college. A college can, like the UCs, state that they don’t want students to use Score Choice. The problem, as you have found, is that colleges sometimes fail to think through what this means for optional Subject Tests. Most counselors would interpret the current UC policy as only applying to required scores.
2. I believe that College Board’s policy is to remove scores from 8th grade or earlier unless a student requests — in the same academic year — to keep them on file. So freshman year and later. Keep in mind that the UCs use the highest scores from a single sitting. You won’t be penalized for a weak score in sophomore year.
my daughter took sat math II at the end of Freshman year, and sat Chemistry II at the end of sophomore year, both 800. somebody told me that some colleges will only consider scores from Junior and senior years. Is that true, what shall her do?
Carnegie Mellon is the only college I know of with that policy, although there may be a few others. Almost all colleges are more sensible and gladly accept sophomore scores. I would strongly recommend that she not re-test unless you are told to do so my an admission office.
Thank you Art! You said ‘ almost all college are gladly accept sophomore scores’, will the same apply to freshman scores ? She has SAT math II from freshman year.
It’s always best to check with the colleges, but schools recognize that Subject Tests are often taken on a different timeline than the SAT and ACT.
Hello, I’m a senior applying to Rice University. I’m applying to their school of science, which recommends a math and science subject test. I got a 780 on Math II, but a 710 on Physics. I did get a 5 on both the Physics I and Physics II AP tests though.
Do you think it would help or hurt more to submit my Physics subject test?
I would go ahead and send it. You didn’t shy away from the exam, which seems like a positive, and combined with your AP scores, it doesn’t seem like an admission officer would doubt your skills in that area.
Hi, our high school senior is deferred from 3 schools’ EA (Caltech, MIT, U Chicago) and is working on RD round. Previously, he reported all his SATII scores: Math 2-800, Bio-E-800, Chinese-780, Physics-750. He is not really a native speaker but did get a “5” in AP Chinese. But by the time he took the SATII in Chinese he was not taking Chinese anymore. His grade in Honor physics was an “A” but since not all the material was covered in the course, he didn’t score that high on the SATII (A 750 for SATII physics is at 70th percentile apparently). Many schools only require 2 SATII or just recommend SATII. Would it make more sense to just report his best 2 scores? For Princeton’s engineering, it is recommended to report MathII and physics or chem. Should he just report 2 highest, 2 highest + physics, or all 4?
I would report all 4. Colleges understand that, when a student takes a number of subject tests, not all of them will be 800. In fact, some have a policy of just looking at the top 2. When looked at as a set, his scores are very impressive.
Thanks so much, Art!
Hope it doesn’t look like he is taking excessive amount of tests. We weren’t planning on necessarily reporting all of them. He took them just to make sure he met requirements of various schools.
I don’t think it looks that way at all. Great test portfolio.
I just took the math 2 subject test and got back my scores. I ending up getting a 790 and I was really surprised because I was almost certain I only missed one or two. I can’t tell what I missed because their is not scoring report. Do you know if their is a way to see what you missed on the subject tests?
I don’t believe there is a way of getting a more detailed report for your Subject Test. Because STs are periodically re-used, released information is kept tight.
My son took SAT subject tests in May and got 800 in math 2 and 690 in chem. He retook chem in June and got 770. Almost all the schools that he applies allow Score Choice. Should he report only the chem score (770) from June? Or is it better to report both 690 and 770 so that it may show his potential to improve the score within a short period of time? Thank you very much for your help!
It’s best to keep the 690 under wraps. His 800/770 will tell a very nice story. BTW, some schools that College Board lists as not allowing Score Choice make an exception for Subject Test scores. There are only a handful such as Georgetown that expect all scores for all tests.
I’m in the process of sending score reports to schools, and I had a question about whether I should send a third subject test. I have an 800 in Math 2 and an 800 in Physics, with an intention to major in physics. But I also took US History and got a 730. I don’t think that score necessarily hurts me, but I don’t see it as much of a benefit either. I was wondering what your advice on sending in that score would be
Thanks so much in advance,
You are correct that it probably won’t change your testing porfolio much in either direction. Given your intended major, I’d say that your 800s can do all of the talking.
Hi! My daughter is applying to Brown, where subject test are recommended. She has a 1560 SAT score, but her subject test are 710 Molecular Biology and a 690 US History. Would it be best not to submit them? Thank you.
It sounds like you already understand the tradeoff. If Brown were a completely “test optional” school, the decision to leave off the Subject Tests would be fairly easy — the scores don’t improve her testing portfolio. In Brown’s case, your daughter needs to decide whether it is better to follow Brown’s recommendation and submit scores or to withhold scores that are likely weaker than average at Brown. I would lean toward withholding them. Fewer and fewer students are taking Subject Tests, so it is not unusual for a student to not submit them. I’d recommend that you daughter talk to her school’s counselor, whose advice may be different.
Hi! My daughter got 760 on both SAT math2 and physics. She has ACT 35 and wants to study biomedical engineering. I wondering for the SAT subject optional universities. If we should submit her Math2 and Physics marks which she thought it’s not good enough for engineering major? Thank you !
I would lean toward submitting the scores. Would it be better if they were both 800s? Yes, and I’m sure that’s what your daughter is judging herself against. However, it’s important to ask whether they contribute something of value to the admission committee. They represent very strong scores in math and physics — subjects that matter a great deal in engineering. Without these scores, the committee just knows that your daughter did well on the ACT (and even English majors like me can do that!). I’m ignoring of course, the fact that other parts of your daughter’s application likely speak to her strengths in STEM.
Wondering if I should get my 740 on Subject literature hand scored to see if it would improve? I got 800 on the Math subject and 1550 on the SAT.
Hand scoring results in a change in an extremely small number of cases on multiple-choice tests. I would recommend against the effort.
I am currently a senior applying to colleges. I have a 35 ACT and received an 800 on Math 2. Some competitive colleges I am applying to strongly recommend a Math AND a Science, in fact MIT requires it. I haven’t taken AP Chem or AP Physics. The last I took AP Bio was in 10th grade and I have forgotten all the material. While working on college essays and school, I am not sure I have time to re-learn the material. Do you have any advice on what I should do? Just submit my application without the science? Or push through and spend late nights studying Bio and take the test in December?
I also have a question unrelated to subject tests you may be able to answer (if not that’s okay). I was having a bad day on the AP CS exam and received a 4. I am submitting this score to colleges. Will it reflect poorly that I have a 4, when most other kids applying as a CS major probably have a 5 (especially at competitive schools)?
If you are intent on applying to MIT, then your decision is simple — you need to take a science Subject Test. You should take practice exams in each subject. Just because you did not take APs in Chem and Physics does not mean that you couldn’t do well on the tests. I would recommend getting in the second subject test even if you decide not to apply to MIT. If you aren’t making enough progress on study, you can always pull the plug at the last minute.
Well, it is true that most CS applicants will have a 5 on the AP CS. Admission decisions are holistic, though, and that’s only a minor piece of the puzzle. You should focus on the things still under your control such as applications and Subject Tests.
My son is applying to CMU engineering. CMU website indicate that “All applicants are required to submit all official results* of either the old SAT Reasoning Test/SAT Test or the ACT Test. SAT Subject Test results are recommended for various programs”. My son took SAT once but decided he is better in ACT. He is sending his ACT scores to CMU. Since he also have to submit 2 SAT subject test scores, can he still do Score Choice? He doesn’t want to “Send all scores” as he doesn’t want to send his SAT score, he only wants to send his subject tests scores. Thanks!
Your son has a couple of options.
1) He could ask CMU this exact question. He’d need to be prepared to follow the answer, whichever way it turns out.
2) He could assume that a close reading of the CMU policy in no way states that SAT scores must be sent along with Subject Test scores. He would be submitting all of his ACT scores, so he is fulfilling that part of the requirement (it is SAT *or* ACT, after all). Separately, CMU recommends Subject Tests, and he is sending those scores. I think this follows the letter and spirit of the CMU policy. But I have not directly asked the admission office. On a practical level, College Board will only report the scores your son chooses to report.
Hi Art, my daughter got a 770 on Lit and 730 on US History. She is applying to Duke ED as of now. She got a 34 on ACT and 1540 on SAT. Does she need to retake either of these subject tests in your opinion? I think she is planning on submitting both ACT and SAT scores.
I wouldn’t recommend a retake in this situation. US History, in particular, would require a good amount of work to refresh and improve.
My son is a senior and is applying to Cornell ED. He took SAT Math 2 subject test in his sophomore year after he finished his Pre-calc (6/2017 test) and got 790. On the same day he also took Chemistry test and got 800. Since he wanted to major in Math in college, he retook the Math 2 this August and got 800 (He didn’t even study for it, just did 2 practice tests the day before). This year Cornell changed to Score Choice for SAT, so originally he thought he world just send the 800 for Math 2 and 800 for Chemistry. But now on second thought, his first time Math 2 score (790) is not that bad, and since he took the second time so late (right before the senior year), the admissions officers probably world guess that he had tried before, so we might just as well send in all the scores to show them that the first time Math 2 wasn’t that bad after all. Eventually colleges will only consider your highest scores, isn’t that right? We would like hear your thoughts on this. What would you do if it was you? Thank you in advance!
August after junior year would not be an unusual time to take M2. I would report the 800 Chem and 800 M2 (not that the 790 would hurt him). Admission officers use Subject Tests as a way of judging students’ skills and readiness. I honestly can’t imagine them downgrading your son because he might have taken the M2 earlier and might have gotten a lower score. Congratulations to your son on putting together great scores.
I would like to get your thoughts on submitting only one subject test (US History 770) to schools that list the test as “considered” – specifically the top tier public schools. Is it worth sending just one? My son took the Math 2 but with a 740 he doesn’t think it is adding much value (perhaps even detracting) when he has a 770 on Math section of the SAT. He is applying to Arts & Sciences -economics.
I would recommend that he consider sending both scores. The Math 2 measures a different set of skills than does SAT Math — hence the reason some engineering programs want them. The 740 is in line with his SAT score while potentially providing an admission officer a little more comfort that your son can handle advanced math. I can’t see either of his scores detracting from his application. Most “consider” schools view Subject Tests as a “plus factor.”
Art thanks for the quick response and insights! Would you adjust your answer if his transcript indicated math aptitude – all solid A’s currently taking multi-variable calculus and 5 on Calc BC AP test? It’s good to hear that “consider” is a plus factor. Thanks again for answering questions.
I still don’t see it hurting him, but you’re right that it’s not essential if his transcript already makes his math skills clear.
My SAT scores are SAT 1490 , SAT Math2 800, AP Caclulus AB 5. I plan to major in engineering. My SAT Physics subject is 690 and I don’t have a third SAT Subject test. Is it possible not to send my SAT Physics score to Stanford (I apply Restrictive Early Action) but send it to other schools on Common App later in December without Stanford seeing it?
UC Berkeley and UCLA “recommend” two SAT subject. Is it better for my case to ignore their recommendation and only send mt Math2 or send both subject test scores anyways? I plan to apply to UC Santa Barbara, Davis and San Diego as well.
Thank you for your help!
You’ve asked a couple of difficult questions. I want to be careful not to imply that my answers are definitive. As you probably know, Stanford allows for the self-reporting of scores directly on the application. You do not need to include your Physics score at that time. I am not sure whether a future update automatically flows to them and whether or not they will consider the updated scores.
Because you intend to major in engineering, I think the merits of sending your Physics scores outweigh the negatives. While there are applicants who will have higher scores, your Math and Physics scores should give an admission officer the confidence that you can handle an engineering curriculum.
My son will be taking World History AP exam in mid-May. If he prepares for the SAT subject test in World History, will the test prep confuse things for the AP test? For example, would he be learning a lot of content that is only on the SAT II, when he should be focusing on material that will be on the AP exam?
I think the Subject Test preparation would reinforce his study for the AP (or vice versa). The tests are structured and scored very differently, but the topics of study overlap.